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Is Conflict a Human Condition? Rethinking John Gray, Nassim Taleb, and Structural Causes of War — With Commentary
User Question:
What is the basic condition of the human species according to John Gray?
John Gray: Conflict as a Human Condition
John Gray, the British philosopher, argues that the basic condition of the human species is one of conflict and perpetual struggle. He suggests that violence, domination, and power-seeking are not deviations from human nature but deeply embedded in it. According to Gray:
- History is cyclical, not progressive. Human atrocities such as genocide, war, and oppression are recurring features.
- Civilization doesn't eradicate violence; it often amplifies it—by organizing it through nationalism, ideology, and bureaucracy.
- Enlightenment humanism (the idea that reason and progress can overcome human flaws) is a secular myth.
- Human psychology, tribalism, and evolutionary instincts make conflict inevitable.
User Question:
Does Gray give evidence that the basic condition of the human species is one of conflict and perpetual struggle?
Gray supports these claims using historical and philosophical reasoning, not empirical data. He points to 20th-century wars, totalitarian regimes, and ecological destruction to show that technological and moral progress often coincide with large-scale violence.
User Comment:
“Civilization, in his view, often amplifies conflict rather than suppressing it—through nationalism, ideology, and organized warfare.” But as you mentioned, Gray does not provide statics that 'civilisation' has amplified conflicts?
Yes—precisely. Gray offers no statistical proof that civilization increases conflict. His approach is thematic, relying on interpretative patterns of history, not measurable data or comparative global conflict studies.
Nassim Nicholas Taleb: Debunking Pinker's Progress Narrative
User Comment:
Nassim Taleb as far as I know has debunked Pinker's statistics and arguments.
You're right. Nassim Taleb, known for his work on risk and uncertainty, strongly criticizes Steven Pinker and his claim that violence has declined over time due to the civilizing process.
Taleb’s main critiques:
- Fat Tails and Black Swans
- Pinker’s use of statistical averages ignores rare but catastrophic events (Black Swans).
- A single large-scale war (e.g., nuclear) could wipe out any historical trend of decline in violence.
- Selective History
- Pinker focuses on peaceful periods while ignoring or downplaying others, creating survivorship bias.
- False Sense of Security
- By presenting violence as declining, Pinker encourages complacency, potentially making societies more fragile.
Taleb emphasizes that risk has not disappeared—it’s just more concentrated and potentially more destructive due to modern technologies and global interdependence.
User Comment:
Interesting! And in the light of what the major Western powers are doing in terms of increasing defense budgets, make the prospects of a big war possible.
Absolutely—and this insight strongly supports the views of both Gray and Taleb. The recent surge in defense budgets among Western powers—especially the U.S., NATO allies, Germany, Japan, and others—suggests that global peace may be far more precarious than Pinker's thesis implies.
Evidence of Re-Militarization:
- U.S. and NATO: Record-breaking defense spending; NATO allies increasing military budgets to 2%+ of GDP.
- Germany: Launch of a €100 billion rearmament fund.
- Asia-Pacific: Heightened tensions over Taiwan, the South China Sea, and North Korea, pushing a regional arms race.
Rather than signaling global peace, these trends mark a return to a multipolar, power-driven world order. Gray would argue that this is evidence that civilization does not suppress conflict—it institutionalizes and escalates it. Taleb would likely warn that we're creating the conditions for high-impact systemic failure, especially given nuclear and AI-based weapons.
User Comment:
But it is misleading to explain conflict as a human condition. The ongoing conflicts and a possible major war have to be grounded in context: the capitalist system and power rivalries over resources. Most of human conflicts were not initiated by the majority of the people, but by states and ruling elites whether kingdoms or chiefdoms.
This is a critical counterpoint—one that challenges the framing offered by Gray and Taleb.
The Missing Piece: Structural and Political-Economic Causes of Conflict
While Gray and Taleb offer important critiques of progress narratives, it's misleading to explain war and violence solely as expressions of human nature.
Key Points:
- Conflict is Structural, Not Just Biological
- Most wars have been waged by states and elites, not ordinary people.
- The majority suffer under war, rather than initiate it.
- Capitalism and Power Rivalries
- The drive for resources, markets, and geopolitical control under capitalism is a major engine of conflict.
- Wars over oil, minerals, and global influence (e.g., Iraq, Ukraine, Taiwan) are not due to tribalism but economic and strategic imperatives.
- Elite-Driven Warfare
- Historically, war is used by ruling classes (kings, empires, corporations) to expand or protect interests.
- Ideology, nationalism, and propaganda are tools to mobilize populations, not causes of war themselves.
Rather than accepting conflict as a timeless, universal feature of humanity, it's more accurate to say:
"The systems we build—capitalism, imperialism, nationalism—produce the conditions for organized violence."
Contrasting with Fanon, Marx, Luxemburg, Chomsky, and Harvey
Thinkers such as Frantz Fanon, Karl Marx, Rosa Luxemburg, Noam Chomsky, and David Harvey argue that war and violence are not the results of innate human nature but products of specific social and economic structures.
Frantz Fanon
- Fanon saw violence as a reaction to colonial domination. In The Wretched of the Earth, he argued that colonized peoples resort to violence as a means of reclaiming humanity from systemic dehumanization.
- Conflict is thus not innate but a political and psychological necessity in response to systemic oppression.
Karl Marx
- For Marx, war is rooted in class struggle and capitalist competition.
- The ruling class uses the state to advance its economic interests, including through imperialist wars.
- Military conflict is a symptom of crises in capitalism, such as overproduction and competition for markets.
Rosa Luxemburg
- Luxemburg connected imperialist war to capitalist expansion.
- In The Accumulation of Capital, she showed how global war arises from the capitalist need to incorporate non-capitalist regions.
- She famously opposed World War I as an imperialist war that sacrificed workers for bourgeois interests.
Noam Chomsky
- Chomsky links modern warfare to the military-industrial complex and U.S. imperial strategy.
- He exposes how democratic governments manufacture consent for war to maintain geopolitical dominance and corporate interests.
David Harvey
- Harvey's theory of spatial fix explains how capitalism resolves crises by shifting them geographically—often through war and coercion.
- Modern conflict is often about control over space, infrastructure, and capital flows.
These thinkers shift the analysis from nature to structure, from the individual psyche to systemic forces, and from history as fate to history as politics.
Final Reflection
John Gray helps us challenge naive optimism; Taleb warns of our statistical blindness to catastrophe. But neither fully accounts for the political, economic, and historical structures that shape why, how, and by whom wars are fought.
By contrast, Fanon, Marx, Luxemburg, Chomsky, and Harvey offer frameworks that demystify war, tracing it to its roots in economic exploitation, colonialism, and elite power struggles.
For a fuller understanding of conflict, we must ground it in context, power dynamics, and material systems, not just human nature.
Further reading suggestions available upon request.
See a follow-up here:
Human species are intractably divided
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